Lantern

[jboerner]

http://www.diu-minnezit.de/realie_detai ... d=78&tid=3

This one is from them.

[Steenberg]

Looks nice!

[Peter]

I saw reproductions of the dome-lanterns this summer, where the dome where made off wood.

[Bertus Brokamp]

I got me one of those wooden domed lanterns at Seeth-Ekholt and made a weblog post about them, alas for you all it is in Dutch:

http://deventerburgerscap.blogspot.com/ ... taarn.html

Next to the shown 1375 Parament de Narbonne from Paris and the 1370-1380 painting from Cologne, I also found a depiction of the same type of lantern on a 1375-1376 wooden console in Mechelen (Belgium) just a week ago as I was perusing through my pictures trying to find something else:



It would seem that this type of lantern is much more prevalent in art than the English metal ones; of which I frankly know of none in art from the 14th century.

For those of you interested in the Middle-Dutch texts in the blog, here they are plus translations:

Receptum Herbordi de concivitatu
Primo a Johanne Lanternenmaker 24 s.

In 1346 John Lanternmaker pays 24 s. to become citizen of Deventer.

Item costen 5 lanternen die men in die reyse hadde ter coken ende anders waer 8 s.
Eerst den wachters eene lanterne verbonden mit ysere, coste 16 d.
Item 5 lanternen te hanghen ende binden 8 s.

In 1361-1362 (x-mas to x-mas) for the household of Jan van Blois the following were acquired/paid for:
- 5 lanterns, which they had on campaign to have in the kitchen and elsewhere, 8 s.
- for the guards a lantern bounded with iron, cost 16 d.
- to hang and bind 5 lanterns, 8 s.

[Steenberg]

And the panels in such a lantern would exclusively be made of horn or could one be using glass? The popular swinebladder lanterns used by many larpers are practical but is the bladder idea a good one?

[Johan Käll]

Horn seems to be the case here.

The Swinebladder.. might have been used, but in general its a 19-th cent stallamp...

The reenactors on the continent that dont know this seems fond of them though..

[Bertus Brokamp]

Here´s a nice find from a 1408 Middle-Dutch translation of a late 13th French text describing how to differ between good and evil:

Dese werlt is recht als een grote merct, daer menigherhande waer veyl coemt. Die ghecke onbesochte coeplude worden dicke bedroghen op deser selver marcten, want si copen onder wilen coper ende missinc voer gout, ghemaelde glase voer sophier of voer robijn, blasen voor lantaernen, want si en sien die dinghen niet veerre aen, dan datse scoen sijn, ende sijn so ghec, dat si ghenen anderen wisen coepluden en vraghen, of die dinghen oec so goet sijn als si scinen nochtan dat sijt selve niet waerderen en connen, want sijs hem niet en verstaen. Mer die wise besochte luden, die die proper duecht ende virtuut elcs dinghes kennen, wat goet is ende wat valsch is, die copen dat goede ende latent quade, dat moghen mit rechte warachtighe coeplude heten ende dat en sal u nyement also wel leren, dat rechte ondersceyt te kennen tusschen die cleen pennewaerde ende die grote, tusschen goede waer ende tusschen quade waer, tusschen dat fijn goet ende dat valsche goet, als die grote meester die heylighe geest.

My amateurish translation:
This world is like a big market, where many goods come along. The weird inexperienced merchants are being deceived on these markets, because they buy copper and brass for gold, painted glass for saphire or for ruby, bladders for lanterns, because they do not see past the beauty of the things, and are so stupid not to ask wiser merchants if the things are as good as they seem to be as they themselves can not value them nor understand them.
But the wise merchants, who know proper virtues of all things, what is good and what is false, they buy the good things en leave the bad, with all right they may be known as great merchants and this will teach you to know the right difference between the small penny´s value and the big, between the fine goods and the false goods, as the grand master the holy spirit.

From this text it would seem that if you as a merchant bought a bladder lantern you had been deceived and gotten bad goods. So horn panels seem to have been the common good standard, I suppose.

[Johan Käll]

....but it also say that bladder was used..

Eventhough.... it is hard to misstake bladder for horn. Unless it is dryed and made into sheets. Witch..is possible. Until it get moist, then it will go all soft on you.

[Peter]

And lots of lanterns are reproduced with bladders nowadays, at least in Sweden. You learn new stuff everyday!

[Steenberg]

Yeah. But the ones I've seen are all constructions with the bladder spread over a wooden frame. And what I can gather from the painted picture of the domed one, the bladder would have to be fitted inside the frame somehow? And also, the picture with the domed lantern has rivets or nails unevenly spread out in pairs. To keep panels together perhaps?

You guys are not good for my spare time. A lantern like that would be very nice.