help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby jboerner » 16 Feb 2009, 12:41

Since we're mainly concentrating on france in the 14th century, we have a smiliar result: there are hardly frilled coifs in french headwear 1340-1400. There are several different shapes of veils and babières, crespinettes and such, but hardly frilled ones; however, frilled headwear appears earlier in the 13th century, the classical "Gebende" in french manuscripts is often frilled.
I'll look into our collections, maybe we'll have some additional examples for you.
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Isis » 17 Feb 2009, 00:54

Hi Jens,

I know of the frilled Gebende or Fillet-Barbettes. The earliest examples of these come from France and Spain, at least, the earliest I have found.
Frilled Gebende also existed in the Low Countries, you can also see them in the Manesse Codex, and they can also be seen in English art. I haven't looked for Scandinavian examples yet.
Does anyone know any frilled Gebende from England that are 13th century or earlier? The only ones I found are early 14th century.

I have been writing on the frilled Gebende as well, in the first chapter of my final thesis I am discussing early (read 12th and 13th century) forms of frilled headwear.
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Peter » 17 Feb 2009, 08:54

Gebende? Picture please.
Mordlysten krigsman, rå och hård i hjertat,
Och med ett samvete som helvet rymligt,
Skall rasa fritt med blodbestänkta händer
Och meja edra friska jungfrur af
Och edra fagra spenabarn som gräs
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Astrid » 17 Feb 2009, 10:04

Hi Peter,

look at the woman in the middle on the balcony.
She is wearing what we call "Gebende" in German.

(This picture is from the Manesse Codex)
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Peter » 17 Feb 2009, 13:50

Alright - a cream pie with strings attaching it to the head - I know those ;) Thanks for the clarification.
Mordlysten krigsman, rå och hård i hjertat,
Och med ett samvete som helvet rymligt,
Skall rasa fritt med blodbestänkta händer
Och meja edra friska jungfrur af
Och edra fagra spenabarn som gräs
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Isis » 17 Feb 2009, 15:10

haha peter, that is one of the most amusing descriptions of Gebende that I ever heard :)
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby jboerner » 18 Feb 2009, 10:05

Hm, which brings me to the throught: a nice girl with a gebende, is that "Eine Schnecke mit Törtchen?" ;) ;)
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Astrid » 18 Feb 2009, 10:34

Jens! :shock:
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Peter » 18 Feb 2009, 12:28

Hahaha! That is so funny Jens!
Mordlysten krigsman, rå och hård i hjertat,
Och med ett samvete som helvet rymligt,
Skall rasa fritt med blodbestänkta händer
Och meja edra friska jungfrur af
Och edra fagra spenabarn som gräs
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Re: help with my final thesis: frilled headwear in france

Postby Isis » 19 Mar 2009, 18:06

Mistery solved:

Illumination from the "Trojanischen Krieg"
Date: 1441
Manuscript: HS 998
Collection Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Germany


So, it isn't french after all...
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